The Palmer Haunt

Paranormal Findings

A successful Paranormal Conference!

The first ever paranormal conference was held at The Palmer House January 18-20, 2008.  Hosts of the conference was Darkness On The Edge Of Town,  Seminars included 2 television celebrites, Chris Fleming and Patrick Burns and Darkness Radio host Dave  Schrader.  Many other professionals from the paranormal field were here as well to help answer the hard questions.  More information about personal experiences, evidence, video, evp’s, and photos are coming soon.

Paranormal – Ghosts – Chris Fleming/Patrick Burns

Chris Fleming and Patrick Burns from Dead Famous and Haunting Evidence join us fresh off of the Palmer House trip to reveal evidence found there, talk about the Frank’s box and their experiences with it, and delve deeper into paranormal theory.      Download Now Chris Fleming/Patrick Burns Hour 1 (MP3 – Right Click and choose Save Target As) Download Now Chris Fleming/Patrick Burns Hour 2 (MP3 – Right Click and choose Save Target As) usto.

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Historic Palmer House Hotel

June 9th 2006

Investigators: Rick, Mel, Gene, Terri

Equipment: Fuji Film, Nikon, Minolta Camera’s, Cell Sensor EMF, IR thermometer, 2 Hi8 Sony Handy Cam with Night vision, RCA Digital Recorder, Sony Cassette Recorder with External Mic.

5:00Pm Rick, Mel, Gene and Terri meet up with Owner of Palmer House Hotel Kellie, Kellie went over some of what had happen to her some employee’s and Guest of the Palmer House Hotel.

History: The original Building on location of Palmer Hotel was Sauk Centre House it was Brothel and Saloon, The building burned late 1800’s. People of Sauk Centre at time stated they were happy it had burned down. We were told that nobody died during the fire.

The Palmer Hotel was built on site of the Brothel by Mr and Mrs Palmer in 1901. It was said that in early 1900’s a little boy had died from flu while staying at the Palmer, There is no other reported deaths.

During Probation we were told that the owners would sell liquor in basement. It’s said there was some tunnels in basement to other buildings around town to help transport liqour with out being caught by Authorities.

Sinclair Lewis Wall and hidden RoomSinclair Lewis a local writer of poetry was said to had an underground hidden room just behind one of the walls in basement of the Palmer House. It was told that he had written some of his poems on the walls.

We were told this hole in picture below may of been used for storing meat. But on inside of door is an old leather strap. It had looked like strap was used for closing door from inside the hole. We had wonder if this isn’t the opening to what was once a tunnel.

Hole in basementThe basement floor from this hole to the wall by Sinclair Street is weak when walking across cement you notice the floor gives some. Could this be from an tunnel, bad cement or just from settling of the building?

We were not able to find any information on tunnel locations when looking up history of the city.

Early years of Sauk Centre when Rail Road still ran through the town The Palmer was known for its flea market.

Hall FleamarketThis picture shows Hallway were the flea market once was held.

Owners of Palmer House had a lady who claimed to been psychic stay couple nights with them. This lady claimed that in basement under the stairs there would be remains of human. The owner soon after went under the stairs and did start to dig. She claimed that she had found bones. She had boxed the bones up to take them up to show her husband. But due to phone call she left box in basement. When she later returned the bones were gone.

Stair Cases Bones Founder Underneath

Many Guests and Employees have claimed to seen apparition of little boy that is believed to be boy who died from flu playing with a ball through out hall ways. People also claimed to see this same boy sitting on the 3rd step of the stairs.

Apparition Little boy

Room 11 has been said to always stay cool like air conditioner is always on

Room 17 Guest have complained of leaving room to later come back and see the furniture had been moved.

Room 18 It’s said some nights people that are staying in rooms Palmer House Roombelow room 18 will hear person walking around, also sound like they sitting on bed to take shoes off. They later to find out nobody was in room 18. Other Rooms people have claimed to have remotes disappear to never be found.

Down Stairs bathroom toilets will flush on there own.

Palmer House Dinning Room

It had been reported that silverware in dinning room would move on its own. Employees have said to set up tables for next day to come back later and find all silverware had been moved.

 This picture is of the second table we had notice the silverware had moved.

One of the Palmer House Hotel night clerks saw some guy come in the pub. He asked him if if wanted a beer. The guy asked him what kind do you have? The clerk told him and then told him what kind he liked, then the guy asked how Palmer House Pubmuch he owed him, the clerk didn’t know but said how about 2 dollars? The guy held out a $10 bill to him, the clerk did not have any way of giving him change so he said you will either have to drink 5 more or I will owe you the rest in the morning. The man then pulled out $1.25 and the clerk told him he was in luck that tonight they were on sale. The clerk had already had a ghost scare that night and was relieved when he saw the man go up the stairs so he assumed he was a guest. But after talking to the owner the next morning he found out that there was no man that checked in or out with that description.

During investigation on 3rd step of stairs Rick and Terri both had fallen claiming that it felt like someone or something was behind them pushing on there knee’s.

Terri on stepsThis Picture is of Terri standing place she had fallen from

We had started investigation 12:30am after all employees had gone home. There was only couple other guests staying in hotel. One of them had gone out for the night.

We starting setting up toys to bait with and checking make sure all silverware was same directions on all tables in dinning room.

We then headed up to the 3rd floor of hotel. Going through all the rooms on the the floors, we hadn’t experienced anything. until on way back down the stairs.

Rick and Mel was heading down steps Rick in lead Mel stopping to take more pictures. Rick stepped on 3rd step on right hand side he suddenly went flying down the steps. Landing hard on the floor catching himself with railing. He to stated same thing as Terri Palmer House Hotel Moved Silverwaresaying it felt like someone had pushed on back of his knee’s.

We had then headed into dinning room make sure silverware was same way. But to our surprise there had been one that was different. Instead of sitting lengthways on table it sitting crossways. Notice one bundle silverware is different direction in this picture. You will also see same table in video above. This picture and video was of second set of silverware that had been moved during the investigation. Table in picture to the right is the same picture as the one in the video.

We had checked all tables before heading upstairs. While Terri and Mel straighten silverware up. Rick and Gene set up camera in dinning room to see if maybe someone was doing it.

Next we headed for back kitchen,pub then headed for basement.

while in basement we had experience a strange noise that we could not explain in room with steps. While walking around steps we heard a noise coming from back of the room. Sounded like some of the boxes full of christmas decorations had moved. We had turned back on lights to see if we could see what caused it. be we was not able to, maybe it was caused by settlement or some rodent we don’t know.

We headed back upstairs at 1:30 to check out dinning room once again. When inspecting tables we noticed that one tables the silverware had been moved. Picture above and video

We had stayed until 5:30am but rest of the night was quiet.

We had watched the video and didn’t see the silverware move or anyone move them. But we wasn’t able to give full coverage of all dinning room. The table were silverware had been moved was within camera’s view.

We did get 3 EVP’s one we think saying *want you whore*,*You Little Boy*. *Do You Like Me?* To listen to filtered versions Click Here.

We got 6 hours of audio.

EVP Evidence:

Want You Whore

Do You Like Me?

We did get high unexplained EMF Readings off basement floor around were hole we think may be entrance to tunnel

Palmer House Hotel is located In Sauk Centre Minnesota. All is Welcome to stay at hotel!

If your looking for hotel with some extra guests you may want to try the Palmer House hotel that is located in Sauke Centre. You will have a night you will never forget.

MidNite Walkers does not claim any of the pictures shown on this page to be paranormal. All pictures are gathered for research. Some pictures have been proven nonparanormal. Visit the Experiment pages to see some of the experiments we have done.

Minnesota Ghosts
MinnesotaGhosts minnesota ghosts The Palmer House Hotel is one of Minnesota’s finest ghost experiences. Guests of the hotel report many strange occurrences such as a young boy bouncing a ball down a hallway, eerie feelings in the basement area, disembodied voices, and one entity throws glasses around the bar area. The hotel even claims residence to a celebrity ghost! The spirit of Lewis Sinclair, a famous local author for which the town takes pride in, is said to haunt the very hotel that he was employed as a bell boy at. Sauk Centre, Minnesota is also the childhood home of Sinclair. The history of the Palmer House Hotel is quite an intersting one with many tales. The first structure on the site of the modern day hotel was the Sauk Centre House, which was built in 1863. In 1867, E.P. Barnum bought the Sauk Centre House at which time locals and staff referred to it as the Minnesota House. This lasted only a short time as it was bought by a Mr. John Apfeld in 1868. He renamed the hotel The Apfeld House. On June 26, 1900, the Apfeld House burned down. According to the papers at the time, the fire was intentional and many locals were glad that the eyesore in town was removed as it also brought in many strange drifters. The city council refused to offer the funds to build a new hotel but the Sauk Centre Herald came forward with an offer of $5,000 to anyone who would build a new hotel. R.L. Palmer was the man who came forward and built the current hotel in 1901. He named the three story structure, The Palmer House. The original hotel consisted of 38 rooms and one communal bathroom. The Palmer House was considered so majestic that a special contractor was hired from Minneapolis to wire the building with electricity, which many considered a novel luxury at the time. As mentioned before, the hotel was the location of one of Lewis Sinclair’s jobs. He was employed as a bell boy at the hotel but was fired because it was said that he spent more time writing than working. In 1908, the Palmer House was leased to A.W. Austin. This changing of hands continued quite often until 1916 when Art DeBeau purchased the hotel from R.L. Palmer. In 1921, Mr. DeBeau sold the hotel once more to a George A. Tanner. The hotel changed hands a couple more times with each owner adding their own personal touches. 1974 brought new life to the Palmer House Hotel as two business partners bought the property and decided to restore the aging structure. These two men were Al Tingley and Dick Schwartz. It was at this time that Al Tingley wrote his book entitled,Corner on Main Street. It is at this time that the stories of ghosts began to creep into the Palmer House Hotel legacy. Al Tingley wrote about his findings of a ghost dating back to the 1950s. To go along with the stories that Al wrote about, he also found out that a person had committed suicide upstairs as well as another man who had hung himself in the bar area by jumping off a pool table. A past resident of the hotel named Virgil (resident from 1974-1987) claimed to have heard several knocks on his door late at night, only to find that no one was at his door. Today the current owners are Kelley Freese and her husband. Kelley has tried her best to document the stories of the hotel from guests and employees. She has even devoted a place on the hotel’s website to what visitors and staff have reported. One such story that Kelley has shared is that many nights she and other staff members have heard what appears to be the sound of a young boy bouncing a ball down the hall and then chasing after it. Kelley also has mentioned that several guests have reported seeing a young boy sitting on the steps leading to the second floor. One guest wrote in the guest book that the little boy has “green eyes and dirty blonde hair.” Sometimes the living guests get mad about the haunting and have complained about children running through the halls at night which kept them up even though there were no children in the hotel that night. Another guest complained about the sounds of furniture moving in the room above them and when escorted to the room above them, they found it to be empty and no furniture was moved. Others have been so startled by the experience that they have left the hotel well before their departure time. The hotel has also had odd electrical disturbances such as lights flickering and TV turning on and off. It should be noted that the hotel was just rewired and gutted for electrical inspection. The activity isn’t just limited to the guest rooms though, the bar area has had quite a few experiences as well. The most eerie story tells of a man who walked into the bar and ordered a drink and told the bar tender that he’d take it upstairs. Curious, the bartender checked to see who was staying in the hotel and found that no one was staying in the hotel. Bartenders also have had glasses fly off hooks and break clear across the room. Kitchen staff also report the same type of phenomena but the glasses come out of storage and break. One kitchen staff member had the table’s silverware placings rearranged on her so often that she decided to only set the table a few minutes prior to breakfast. If you plan on staying at the beautiful Palmer House Hotel and want to have a ghostly experience, it is recommended that you stay in room 17 or room 11. A newlywed couple were staying in room 17 and the wife awoke to a tall slender man standing by the foot of the bed. The man appeared to be from the 1920’s or 1930’s. The couple also reported upon exiting the hotel that their room was too hot and it was as if someone had turned up the heat on them. Kelley mentions that room 17 was also the same room that a man had reported being too cold as if the air conditioner was on all night. Room 11 is the site of many experiences by guests. One guest staying at the hotel in room 11 had his legs outside of the blanket and felt the sensation as if someone were stroking his legs all through out the night. When he got up to look at what was causing this, he didn’t see anyone even though the phenomena continued. Many guests that stay in room 11 report it being too cold and hotel staff keep the room heated even when other rooms require the air conditioner to be used. Guests who have stayed in room 11 also report a heavy feeling while being in the room and say that the origin of this energy is the sink. Many paranormal investigators have investigated that Palmer House Hotel and recorded EVP (Electronic Voice Phenomena). When Darkness Radio held it’s 2008 Paranormal Conference from the Palmer House, Patrick Burns of Court TV’s Haunting Evidence said that, “…it is like the Stanley Hotel-lite.” (This of course is referring to the Stanley Hotel in Estes Park, CO.) During the event’s investigation, while using a Frank’s Box, many investigators heard what appeared to be cussing and swear words coming from the box.
Twin Cities Paranormal Society

Investigation Date: 04-21-2007 Site: The Palmer House Location: Sauk Centre, MN Number of Investigations: 1 Evidence: EVP’s

Reason For Investigation: We contacted the owner of the Palmer House to see if we would be able to investigate the numerous claims of paranormal activity that have reportedly gone on for many years. Auditory phenomena include hearing footsteps up and down the stairs (though there were no guests currently in the hotel), running of a child in the hallways of the hotel floors at times when there were no children in the building, and employees hearing their name called although no one else was around. There have also been numerous reports of smelling cigar smoke in one of the rooms upstairs even though no one was currently staying in the room and smoking is only allowed in the pub downstairs on the main floor. The most reported apparition is that of a young boy with a ball and others have seen an apparition of a tall man wearing a hat as well as a woman in a wedding dress. Other activity includes various objects moving on their own in the bar and restaurant; some employees said they have felt someone put a hand on their shoulder even though no one was behind them, various electrical phenomena such as TVs turning off and on, and cold spots. Research & Background on the Property Before the Palmer House was constructed, the Sauk Centre House stood on the property and acted as a hotel, brothel, and saloon. The Sauk Centre House mysteriously burned down in 1900 and many living in the town at the time did not seem to mind, as most thought of the house as a place of “ill repute”. No one reportedly died in the fire and some believe a partial section of the basement for the Palmer House is the original foundation for the Sauk Centre House. Built in 1901, The Palmer House is still referred to as the cornerstone of Sauk Centre. It functions today as it was meant to be when the house was originally constructed: as a hotel, restaurant, and pub. The hotel was remodeled and redecorated in 1993, reducing the original 38 hotel rooms to only 19. If you are ever in the area or just need a weekend getaway, the Palmer House is a lovely place to visit. They also have a Pub and Restaurant located within the hotel where they serve a variety of extremely appetizing meals. Kelley, who is the owner of the Palmer, is one of the nicest people you could ever want to meet. She was incredibly hospitable to our team throughout our time at the Palmer House and we would like to sincerely thank Kelley and her wonderful staff for making us feel right at home.

Investigation Details Weather Conditions Temperature: 56 °F Barometer: 29.93 Humidity: 59% Dew Point: 46 ° Wind: 10 mph Moon: 21% Full

Because the Palmer House was such a large property with many rooms and areas to cover, we had twelve members present during the investigation. No hotel guests were staying the night while we were there, only the owner’s father who lives on the property. TCPS investigated most of the guest rooms on the second and third floors and the basement, as well as all of the “common” areas such as the pub, lobby, restaurant, and kitchen.

Within ten minutes of investigating the basement, two of our members’ cameras malfunctioned. There was also a knocking sound heard from one of the hallways in the basement. At one point during the night, a member was touched on her shoulder in one of the rooms down there. She stated it felt as though someone had pushed their thumb into her shoulder. Shadows were also witnessed there as well. During one of our last rounds of the night, a few of our investigators stated that they were about to leave and asked if any spirits present would like to say anything or make their presence known. Once the investigators started to head toward the stairs, they heard a noise come from behind where they were just previously standing. The source of the noise could not be found. One of the voice recorders used in the basement shut off on its own, even though the team remembered turning it to record and saw the red light indicating the DVR was recording. This also happened to a different voice recorder in the dining room/restaurant area. While in the kitchen, two of our investigators witnessed trays moving on their own, and in the dining room one of our member’s cell phone lit up for no apparent reason. No phone calls, messages, or alarms came through or went off.

Cold spots were recorded in numerous locations throughout the hotel and several investigators reported hearing movement in some of the hotel rooms although no one else was present where the noises came from. One group of members felt like they were coming down with the flu in one of the rooms, when previously they felt fine. This flu-like feeling lingered for almost a half hour and then went away as quickly as it came on. Another group of investigators were in one of the bathrooms of a reportedly haunted room in the hotel when two members of the group suddenly became nauseous. The other member of the group came into the bathroom to see what was going on and went to pull back the shower curtain. Before she even touched the curtain, something fell into the shower and made a loud noise. Upon opening the curtain, nothing was out of place and the investigators noticed nothing was there in the shower to have fallen and made such a noise. Investigators had just finished asking “Tell us what happened in the bathroom”, when they heard a “popping” noise in the Jacuzzi room. Explanation for the sound was not found. A knocking sound was also reportedly heard by another group from this same bathroom.

While sitting on one of the hotel beds, one of the co-founders was touched on her toe after previously asking if any spirits in the room if they could touch one of the investigators. Earlier while in one of the more notoriously haunted rooms in the Palmer, this same member felt as though someone was sitting on her chest and it was very hard to breathe. This feeling only lasted a few moments. After relaying this experience to the owner once the investigation was completed, Kelley told us that one of the hotel guests had experienced something similar to this incident a week earlier. It should also be noted that during TCPS’s preliminary interview with the owner, two of our members and Kelley were in one of the more reportedly haunted rooms in the hotel. After being in the room for only a few minutes, one of the members felt as though someone was standing in the corner of the room behind the door. She also stated that she felt like she should not move from where she was standing in the room. A while later, the other member present asked this member to go over to the other side of the room where Kelley was. When this member finally did move, the door to the room slammed shut with an extremely loud bang. The door to this room had previously been propped open by the carpet on the floor. Kelley told our members that this particular door is always propped open in this manner and said she knew for a fact that the door had been open like this for at least 48 hours prior to this incident. Our members tried to recreate the door slamming with such ferocity. As many times as they tried, their numerous attempts could not make the door slam as loud as what had previously just happened by unseen forces.

Final Analysis Even though all of our EVP’s were captured during the preliminary interview at the Palmer House, we can not deny the personal experiences our team had during the investigation. We believe the Palmer House does indeed have genuine paranormal activity and are currently working to set up another future investigation to gather more evidence.

EVP Evidence EVP stands for “Electronic Voice Phenomena”. Basically, EVP’s occur when voices or other noises are captured on any type of recording media (i.e. tape or digital recorders, video cameras, etc.) that were not heard at the time of recording. Only upon review are the EVP’s audible.

How TCPS Captures EVP’s During an investigation, our members use a voice recorder and ask a series of questions. These questions are each followed by a period of silence lasting 20-30 seconds. The reason for the gap of silence is because it is thought that spirits need to gain energy in order to be heard. Sometimes when we review an EVP session, we can hear a voice answer the question(s) or hear a noise that was not heard by any investigators at the time of the recording. Directions: To listen to our EVP’s, please right click on the link provided and choose “Save As” (or “Save Target As”, depending on your browser). This will save the EVP to your computer and allow for better quality.

Voice 1: During our preliminary interview with the owner of the Palmer House, this EVP was captured in the Pub area of the building. You will hear Kelley, the owner, talking and while she is talking to our members, a voice is heard. This voice sounds to be that of a young child or woman. What it is trying to communicate, we do not know. Filtered Version

Voice 2: Again this EVP was taken from the Pub during our preliminary interview with Kelley. This voice sounds eerily similiar to the “Voice 1” EVP. Filtered Version

Whisper: While taking a tour of the basement, this EVP was caught during one of our conversations with Kelley. Kelley’s voice is the main voice you hear and in the background is one of the TCPS members speaking. Once Kelley says something about a lock, a whisper can be heard on the recording. Filtered Version

Voice 3: This EVP was captured while our members and Kelley were upstairs in one of the hotel rooms. The recording begins with one of group talking and over top of her voice is another voice, which almost sounds male. No males were present nor in the vicinity of this room where the recording was done. Filtered Version

Voice 4: Caught in the same room as the previous EVP, this recording begins with one of our members talking. Once she is finished, there is a voice or a sound almost like moaning heard in the background. Filtered Version

Voice 5: After the tour of the Palmer, our members went back to the Pub to eat some dinner before heading out on the road again. This recording starts with one of our team stating “What to do today, what to do today?” and then a voice or sound can be heard. This voice again sounds like a scream or loud moan that is also very similiar to the previously listed EVP.

“Get lost”: This EVP was captured while both of the co-founders were having a tour of the basement. On here, you will hear one of the co-founders explaining something, and during this explanation, a whisper can be heard which almost sounds like “get lost”. Perhaps they were not wanted down in the basement at that time? Filtered Version